Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Beer Cup

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:42, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

World Beer Cup

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This has been self-sourced promotional spam (or maybe fancruft) since the day it was created until today. The prod tag was stripped by someone who had never edited this before or after; the speedy-spam tag was stripped with an edit note that misrepresents the criteria, so here we are. The only sources are SPS spam and it has been tagged for better sourcing for seven years. It was even more bloated up until a few days ago eg here. This page is a proxy for the sponsor and per WP:PROMO that is not what WP is for. (The #1 and #3 biggest contributors by bytes per the revision history are promotional SPA accounts, btw: Jebfoster and CrazyCharly). Please remove this garbage from mainspace. Jytdog (talk) 19:27, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

• Keep the article may be fancrufty but there's plenty of reliable sources that it's a notable award. Simonm223 (talk) 19:36, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Links to google searches are of course an entirely invalid !vote rationale. We need actual RS with substantial discussion. Jytdog (talk) 15:09, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
• Keep, definitely notable. The Oxford Companion to Beer has a non-trivial entry for it. Books on beer, such as The British Beer Book and World Beer highlight beers that have won the award. The magazine The New Brewer has a substantial article, as does The Brewers Digest. SpinningSpark 22:26, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
  • The The Oxford Companion to Beer is OKish. the only source is the brewers' association website, but yes it is a substantial entry in a nominally independent source. One could argue this one but I won't.
  • The 2nd book there, about British beers, is a passing mention in one of the articles about a specific beer. not relevant and blatantly so.
  • The New Brewer is a trade magazine and this is not a good source for notability. We discussed trade rags a lot in the work that led to the extensive revision of WP:NCORP earlier this year. The resulting advice is at WP:ORGIND. So this is not a good source for notability. Jytdog (talk) 15:09, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
• Keep looks like plenty of reliable third-party coverage exists to justify an entry here. No comment on the current state of the article however, but that's not a deletion discussion. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:30, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Not really. See above. Jytdog (talk) 15:09, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Sufficient for me, no more badgering thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
• Redirect to Brewers Association and pick up anything useful from article history (not much, perhaps two or three sentences). The event is not independently notable of the association, while the article is overly detailed and promotional. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:00, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:01, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

• Redirect per K.e.coffman (talk · contribs) or delete. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 21:14, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
• Absolutely keep and rewrite as necessary. The World Beer Cup, together with the Great American Beer Festival, are the two most highly regarded beer competitions in the United States, and getting an award from either of them automatically promotes a brewery to a higher level of notability. We who write about beer have used this award as evidence of notability for a brewery for a long time. I will take a look at the article when I have time and see if I can improve it, but it is a definite keeper. MelanieN (talk) 17:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

OK, I've made some improvements and added some independent sources. One of the problems in sourcing this article is that the Cup gets a ton of coverage, but not about the Cup competition itself; it is from regional newspapers trumpeting the Cup awards given to breweries in their region or state. But I found evidence that it is the largest competition in the beer industry and is called "the Olympics of beer". --MelanieN (talk) 19:17, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

• Keep - there does appear to be sufficient coverage to provide notability, and it's been improved by MelanieN. Nosebagbear (talk) 18:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.