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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I don't know... I liked this episode in general but I don't think they adapted it too well. They cut out several scenes and such. I'm not surprised since they tried to cram an entire volume into one episode. In particular I was annoyed by (mild ranting under the spoiler tag) |
adamantineNov 1, 2009 1:45 AM
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| Few things after watching raw: - Ok, maybe they don't hate Riza - two eyecatches ;) - And now WTF with those changes?! - Honestly they cut out way too much -.- - And why oh why they changed the scene when Mustang meets Riza in Ishval >.< - Hey, wait, I know I don't understand Japanese but there wasn't "please burn my back", was it? - Well, I really don't know Japanese at all but there also wasn't "can I entrust my back..." - Now, they rushed through this, well, VOLUME! Way too many things left -.- - I don't know why but now I feel like Kimbley's voice doesn't sound like Kimbley - Woohoo, Olivier in cm! Now, now who is her seiyuu? - I really wanted hear Roy calling her "RIZA" T^T |
Alzea said: I flipped when I saw Olivier. I can't wait until she appears in the anime.- Woohoo, Olivier in cm! Now, now who is her seiyuu? |
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| argh, cant wait |
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adamantine said: In particular I was annoyed by (mild ranting under the spoiler tag) And THIS is exactly why I rate this episode 1, drop the series score to 7/10 and am on the verge of dropping this shit altogether... |
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| It's some time ago that i read the manga, but i don't see them maiming it. Telling the story to this point in 30 episodes is only possible by condensing it. As i want to see Olivier in action asap, that's fine with me. |
| I don't mind it being ALITTLE different from the manga, its not so bad if a few scenes are added or taken out. And it looks like Marcoh is going to have one hell of a headache ! XD |
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adamantine said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I don't know... I liked this episode in general but I don't think they adapted it too well. They cut out several scenes and such. I'm not surprised since they tried to cram an entire volume into one episode. In particular I was annoyed by (mild ranting under the spoiler tag) Took what I was gonna say XD Yes, i was quite annoyed. I can't say I hate this episode, but I definitely can't say i like it either. Meh well, enters Olivier, soon. 8) |
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| They blew it. They had the opportunity to make this into something amazing, and they blew it. I've been loving FMA: Brotherhood so far- had I rated the series prior to episode 30 I would have rated it 10 out of 10, and I don't give tens out very easily. Now I'm not so sure. I've always attested that this needed to be at LEAST two episiodes to be properly done, and this confirms it. Hell, looking at how they breezed through things in this one episode, maybe they needed -three-. So much of what made the original manga compelling was removed. There, you really got to see the weight of the atrocities being committed, and how everything affected everyone involved- Hughes, Mustang (especially Mustang), the Rockbells, Scar, Hawkeye, Marcoh, Knox, etc. The key to making the original story so great was that it took the time to build on you- and by the end you really appreciate how weary and emotionally drained and disillusioned the characters were because of the war. They removed or glossed over key powerful moments from the manga: I could go on. And not just that, they had to cut so much of the drama but had to keep the jokes. In fact, they had to end the episode with a joke from a later chapter which totally feels out of place and adds nothing at all to the episode. I liked that moment at the end with Al and May Chang, but I liked it where it originally was meant to be, not in here. For those who have not read the manga yet, whether you enjoyed this episode or not, read manga vol. 15, chapters 58-61. Well worth the effort, and much better than this. It's a shame, they were doing spectacularly up until this point. |
ArnoldKNov 1, 2009 7:52 PM
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| Actually I change my mind, I will not argue this with everyone. Go ahead complain to your hearts content... Just so that you know, the missed the First Hawk's eye joke, I knew they would miss this one too. |
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| At this rate, question for manga readers: At around what episode will Brotherhood finish (an estimate would be ok) |
Suzune-chan said: It was really a joke. It was seriously said by Hughes after Riza killed the sniped the guy about to kill Roy and Hughes. :|Just so that you know, the missed the First Hawk's eye joke, I knew they would miss this one too. Most people are disappointed since they condensed an entire volume in one episode - and not just any volume, but the volume that gave us backstories of the main adult cast. It glossed over many scenes and sort of toned it all down (maybe to please censors?). The episode itself wasn't really bad or anything (I gave it a four) but it was definitely not as powerful as the original source. Arakawa even talked to war veterans to get this volume right. From the Viz translation: In researching this volume, I interviewed veterans who been at the front during World War II. I read countless books, examined film footage, and listened to many detailed and intense stories firsthand, but the one comment that affected me the most came from a former soldier who lowered his gaze to the tabletop and said, "I never watch war movies." |
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| Quite different from the manga...don't really like it thou... |
| haha .. Al talking bad about Ed xD |
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| i dont read manga tho by the comments i see they cut a lot o_O maybe they left smth for the next episodes ? tho i doubt it... 2/5 |
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Fai said: adamantine said: In particular I was annoyed by (mild ranting under the spoiler tag) And THIS is exactly why I rate this episode 1, drop the series score to 7/10 and am on the verge of dropping this shit altogether... Isn't that being too hotheaded ? I wouldn't drop the whole series when it had 28 great episodes, you wouldn't know what you probably would miss. ( And it isn't exactly that shitty. ) Yeah, I was pretty disappointed too. They cut out some sceens that made moments more dramatic. And gawd, they cut out the whole Armstrong scenes, I was so pissed. Not even mentioning they cut out Gran shooting his superior. It left me like this -> O_O |
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| I don't read the manga so I have no idea of what the episode is missing. Oh well, still a decent episode to me. |
| Even without reading the manga I can still see this episode have been terribly cut down and left out many vital parts And it definitely didn't clear up the past as much as I'd hoped. Overall a decent episode but nothing more. Though I smiled a bit at Edward's reaction when Riza mentioned Winry and how she must be very important to him =P |
Nanakogin said: Isn't that being too hotheaded ? I wouldn't drop the whole series when it had 28 great episodes, you wouldn't know what you probably would miss. ( And it isn't exactly that shitty. ) I enjoyed this series because it was closer to manga and developed better than FMA1. For that I could forgive all the things they cut out before Ishval Flashback. I could(with clenched teeth) deal with them cutting out all Ling/RanFan scenes.. or cutting Riza scenes, or Marcoh scenes... However this episode was really top of the whole "let's cut out stuff, yay" deal. Ishval Wars was the arc where your outlook towards Gran changes towards better(considering before Ishval one would look at him as bastard and after Ishval flashback Gran would look like a hero) Its also the arc which defines Roy/Riza relationship and shows us the roots of hate-to-love development of Roy and Riza, not to mention giving bg to Riza and Flame Alchemy. Heck with how much time they spent on Ishval in OP, I expected this to be atleast 3-4 episode arc where we get everything from manga + anime-original flashbacks about Joliot Comanche and Isaac. Instead we get one terribly compressed episode with none of that. |
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neverless said: At this rate, question for manga readers: At around what episode will Brotherhood finish (an estimate would be ok) Given that it's at 100 chapters and is starting to really wind down, probably 50 something episodes at this rate. They're going through about 2 chapters an episode. Why they decided to -increase- that rate, though, for one of the most powerful and important stories in the series (Ishbal), I have no idea. |
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Fai said: Nanakogin said: Isn't that being too hotheaded ? I wouldn't drop the whole series when it had 28 great episodes, you wouldn't know what you probably would miss. ( And it isn't exactly that shitty. ) I enjoyed this series because it was closer to manga and developed better than FMA1. For that I could forgive all the things they cut out before Ishval Flashback. I could(with clenched teeth) deal with them cutting out all Ling/RanFan scenes.. or cutting Riza scenes, or Marcoh scenes... However this episode was really top of the whole "let's cut out stuff, yay" deal. Ishval Wars was the arc where your outlook towards Gran changes towards better(considering before Ishval one would look at him as bastard and after Ishval flashback Gran would look like a hero) Its also the arc which defines Roy/Riza relationship and shows us the roots of hate-to-love development of Roy and Riza, not to mention giving bg to Riza and Flame Alchemy. Heck with how much time they spent on Ishval in OP, I expected this to be atleast 3-4 episode arc where we get everything from manga + anime-original flashbacks about Joliot Comanche and Isaac. Instead we get one terribly compressed episode with none of that. Well, you made your point. So wait, wait. You got me confused. Who are Joliot Comanche and Isaac ? And I didn't get what you said about Gran (-.- yeah yeah I'm kinda slow ) |
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Nanakogin said: Well, you made your point. So wait, wait. You got me confused. Who are Joliot Comanche and Isaac ? And I didn't get what you said about Gran (-.- yeah yeah I'm kinda slow ) Joliot is the silver alchemist scar killed. Isaac is the "ice alchemist" from the episode 1. They both participated in Ishval Annihilation and one of previous flashbacks even hinted that we would get a bit more from that(the still flashback where you see them standing alongside mustang) |
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Nanakogin said: Well, when we saw Gran in the earlier eps he might look like a bastard, especially when you were watching FMA1 you might think like this. Here he is exact opposite of a bastard. You and anyone else who want to know what we mean about Gran and why manga readers complain so much just should go and read volume 15, it's all about Ishval, actually this one volume is only about it, you won't get spoiled or anything. It explains everything.And I didn't get what you said about Gran (-.- yeah yeah I'm kinda slow ) And yeah, I think it's stupid trying to animate a whole volume in one episode -.- |
| Gawd. I have no idea how you could remember all that. I can't even remember half of what happened in FMA 1 and I don't remember the Gran part (still in FMA 1). Not to mention I'm really bad with names. |
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| The cut out some D: There was no Riza saving Roy&Hughes (btw, really happy to see him again x3), no 'burn my back'...and many more. But I was never one of the Ishval flashback lovers, so it doesn't matter for me. Overall still good, just not as good as manga. Although Zolf-chan doesn't sound like I'd imagined. |
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| glad that i didnt read the manga :DD i would be pissed off right now lol) |
| Alright episode. I was surprised that Hawkeye's father was Roy's teacher. I do like getting more background info on him and Riza, and it was good to see Hughes for a bit. From what people are saying, they left out a lot of stuff that was in the manga... I'm still working on reading it and in the very early chapters, SO. Eh. 3/5 |
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| Not a great episode and they messed about with Riza's part in the war too much |
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Fai said: adamantine said: In particular I was annoyed by (mild ranting under the spoiler tag) And THIS is exactly why I rate this episode 1, drop the series score to 7/10 and am on the verge of dropping this shit altogether... Agree! *rage* that was my favorite volume!...curse them.I cant understand why they gave it only 1 episode and cut all the good parts!!?!? I try hard not to rant more than this >_<. Tough i will continue watch this hahaha. |
OxuNov 2, 2009 2:15 PM
| Wtf was that they left so much out. -_- |
| lol @ img bbcode not working, mal is such a great site |
| Ew Kimbley. What a disappointing episode. I only remember a few details of what happened in this volume...and they cut most of that out. I was really looking forward to seeing it fully animated too :/ Oh well at least we're closer to seeing Olivier. |
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| I just watched Eclipse's version, and I find it funny how my estimation of an episode can change based on the quality of the translation. Eclipse is just so much better than Aoshen, it even felt as though the episode itself was better. |
| Well I didn't read the manga so I'm gonna trust you guys that this was rushed. They didn't really show what happened besides the obvious but I suppose we already have some details in flash back moments all along the show. |
| Is it too much to ask for a scene to scene adaption? The Gran shooting, Hawkeye shooting that Ishablan attacking Roy and Hughes, Roy giving the big staredown to Bradley after the victory and Roy talking to his platoon after the victory. That last one would've driven home the point of him protecting the people below him. And also a big tiff with me -It need MOAR Knox. He talk the story to Al and the Xing peoples too! Don't count him out! He was at Ishbal too! Don't cut him out! He's the best character! He was fucked up due to Ishbal too! He has the best Ishbal story! They better not cut out his story with his family. If they do, I'm going to be very angry. I like Zolf.Jyayayaya Kimbley though. He's so deliciously evil. |
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| okay, you've all convinced me. I'm going to start reading the manga. As a non-manga reader though, I still enjoyed the episode though it was mostly explaining what happened in the past. |
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| Episode was pretty awesome. |
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| Kimbley's sadistic laugh and Ed's shock was a highlight....i just don't get why the didn't split this part of the series into different parts when they had time to make a really bad made recap filler like episode...it felt very misplaced and only barely had the mood of a sad and depressing atmosphere. Apart from that,reasonable to watch. |
| I haven't read the Manga, and though it sounds like they cut out a lot, the stuff they cut out doesen't really sound necessary so I could understand why they would. Sure I bet you all got a much better impact of what happened in Ishbal in the Manga but really I don't think we need to know every detail of what happened there for the series plot to develop. I knew everyone would complain this week after hearing that the Ishbal stuff was an entire novel. Won't be surprised if you all attack me for this comment either. Personally I thought it was a good episode, not amazing but still good. An episode doesen't suck purely cause it cut out content you liked from the Manga -_- |
| I love this episode especially kumbly's scene |
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| Oh Well... It was a fine episode for those who did not read the manga or was not comparing in any way :D. For those who do, take care :P. Maybe we might have an extension for the following few episode. (hopefully) |
velcom said: I haven't read the Manga, and though it sounds like they cut out a lot, the stuff they cut out doesen't really sound necessary so I could understand why they would. Sure I bet you all got a much better impact of what happened in Ishbal in the Manga but really I don't think we need to know every detail of what happened there for the series plot to develop. I knew everyone would complain this week after hearing that the Ishbal stuff was an entire novel. Won't be surprised if you all attack me for this comment either. Personally I thought it was a good episode, not amazing but still good. An episode doesen't suck purely cause it cut out content you liked from the Manga -_- Die. Riza and Roy character development = Necessary Gran character development = Necessary. Dr.Knox past = Necessary. More accurate portrayal of that war = Necessary. Everything was necessary. The filler recap episode of hoho's dream was not necessary. |
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Fai said: Who's Knox? Not necessary to me. You're just fanboying the series too much. Just be glad they are giving Fullmetal Alchemist another go.velcom said: I haven't read the Manga, and though it sounds like they cut out a lot, the stuff they cut out doesen't really sound necessary so I could understand why they would. Sure I bet you all got a much better impact of what happened in Ishbal in the Manga but really I don't think we need to know every detail of what happened there for the series plot to develop. I knew everyone would complain this week after hearing that the Ishbal stuff was an entire novel. Won't be surprised if you all attack me for this comment either. Personally I thought it was a good episode, not amazing but still good. An episode doesen't suck purely cause it cut out content you liked from the Manga -_- Die. Riza and Roy character development = Necessary Gran character development = Necessary. Dr.Knox past = Necessary. More accurate portrayal of that war = Necessary. Everything was necessary. The filler recap episode of hoho's dream was not necessary. They're trying to present the anime in a way that is efficient and still draws in viewers that have not read the manga, and don't need to either. They are doing a great job. |
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HawthorneKitty said: Fai said: Who's Knox? Not necessary to me. You're just fanboying the series too much. Just be glad they are giving Fullmetal Alchemist another go.velcom said: I haven't read the Manga, and though it sounds like they cut out a lot, the stuff they cut out doesen't really sound necessary so I could understand why they would. Sure I bet you all got a much better impact of what happened in Ishbal in the Manga but really I don't think we need to know every detail of what happened there for the series plot to develop. I knew everyone would complain this week after hearing that the Ishbal stuff was an entire novel. Won't be surprised if you all attack me for this comment either. Personally I thought it was a good episode, not amazing but still good. An episode doesen't suck purely cause it cut out content you liked from the Manga -_- Die. Riza and Roy character development = Necessary Gran character development = Necessary. Dr.Knox past = Necessary. More accurate portrayal of that war = Necessary. Everything was necessary. The filler recap episode of hoho's dream was not necessary. They're trying to present the anime in a way that is efficient and still draws in viewers that have not read the manga, and don't need to either. They are doing a great job. exactly. Unless I see any of that stuff being necessary to the plot then I aint going to take anything Fai said seriously. I will admit to being wrong if it becomes true though. I don't think Bones would cut out a whole bunch of stuff though if it actually 'needed' to be there. I completely agree Hawthorne, I think the series has been great. I loved the first series but Brotherhood has been steadily on track to top it for me. People really get to annoying whenever something is cut out of the Manga, seriously. In this case is does sound like they cut out quite a bit, but heck people complain when they cut out a small comedy scene and such -_- |
Fai said: Die. Riza and Roy character development = Necessary Gran character development = Necessary. Dr.Knox past = Necessary. More accurate portrayal of that war = Necessary. Everything was necessary. The filler recap episode of hoho's dream was not necessary. Keep your damn finger off the enter key, you are wasting space with your meaningless extra line breaks. |
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velcom said: An episode doesen't suck purely cause it cut out content you liked from the Manga -_- I'm a HUGE manga fan and I still enjoyed this episode. So I guess that's possible, and Velcom is right :) |
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