Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bandini s.p. 1000

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Bandini Automobili to ensure attribution, which resolves the reasons not to redirect. Star Mississippi 02:31, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Bandini s.p. 1000

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Non-notable unreferenced old vehicle article. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Motorsport, Transportation, and Italy. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
• Redirect to Bandini Automobili as a viable WP:ATD ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:49, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

  The information that could be referenced has been added to the Bandini Automibili article NealeWellington (talk) 06:19, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose redirect without merge. The only mention is (edit: was) in the list of models which have no information about them in the list. A7V2 (talk) 06:58, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

  A merge would be inappropriate, as all of the content is unsourced. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:06, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

  I have added more details in the Bandini Automobili article. That should be enough given how few of these cars were actually made. Also there is the complete lack of referencing here which has not been addressed. NealeWellington (talk) 06:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  To be clear, I never advocated for merging, I advocated against a redirect (as I explain below). I probably should have been clearer that it didn't need to explicitly be a merge but I think that's a technicality since it is unusual for an AfD discussion to be affected by edits to a different page. But with the recent edits I am happy to support a redirect to Bandini Automobili#Models. A7V2 (talk) 05:48, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

• QuicoleJR you have actually uncovered quite a problem with this article and in fact all the Bandini articles are not referenced. Annoyingly the original authors didn't bother doing so and technically that means they urgently need referencing or deleting. This is going to be quite a job to remedy. I took a look at the Italian Wiki article on Bandini and it does not contain any references either.I am going ro try to reference this article so please don't be to hasty in pushing the delete button. It may take me a few days if there is information on line. I might be able to recover it. NealeWellington (talk) 09:45, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

  If you can find sources, that would be great. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

  • Move any useful information that can be verified and Delete. Bandini Automobili made about 75 cars in total across all its various models. Reference [1]. While they are a collectors item judging by the prices they fetch, there are none that seem to be particularly notable on their own. My recommendation is to roll up the various individual articles into Bandini_Automobili and rewrite and reference it. I have started referencing the article and adding information about the cars.NealeWellington (talk) 01:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

  I had alrerady went ahead and WP:BOLDly redirected the remaining articles (and requested undeletion + redirection of the previous AfDs which closed as soft delete). It appears that a user (who I believe is now topic banned from AfD so I'll refrain from pinging them) tried redirecting the articles several years ago, only to be blanket reverted by another user without even checking for references. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  16:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks - this needed tidying up. Bandini is a rather interesting piece of automotive hsitory so I am pleased the main article can now reflect that in a more appropriate manner. NealeWellington (talk) 21:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:19, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The consensus on what editors actually want to do with this article is unclear to me. The discussion is appreciated but what should happen with this particular article?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:33, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

I have no clue why there is any opposition to a redirect here. Should be clear-cut. Unsourced article which has a mention at Bandini Automobili. Unless A7V2 can list what of the entirely unsourced content in the article should be merged, this should be closed as redirect. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  05:19, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

I think you are drastically over-reading something. I objected to a redirect when the parent article had no information whatsoever about this model, and so would not have been appropriate. In no way should my comment have been interpreted as a keep !vote. However given the recent changes to Bandini Automobili that is no-longer the case, and I will adjust my !vote. A7V2 (talk) 05:44, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

• Delete - fails WP:GNG NealeWellington (talk) 06:17, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
• Comment. I've declined a WP:G12 speedy nomination at this page – the text was an unattributed translation from the unsourced it.wp page (attribution now provided), and I've not found any evidence of copyvio in the source page. NB: not a !vote, but redirects are cheap and also potentially useful. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 07:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

  You were right to stop the speedy delete as it gave us enough time to tidy up the main article. There was only one of this model made and it is now covered in an improved article on Bandini Automobili. Also If someone is searching for the Bandini SP1000 they will find the article easily enough. I doubt many people will use s.p. as a search parameter anyway NealeWellington (talk) 09:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.