dontcarewhateverno

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What do you all think ?
Lena, having the most scenes - sex and otherwise - of any female character in the game is by necessity an amalgamation of several porn stars and likely a few other non-porn inspirations. With that much content, it's too limiting to keep to one IRL inspiration unless she were to follow one around with a camera 24/7 for weeks in and out of the bedroom. Tracing comes with a lack of flexibility when there's a lack of content to trace and even the most prolific porn-star may not have the right pose and set-up (not to mention look) she has in mind for the scene and the character.

Source: My ass. But I think it makes sense, plus my ass is pretty smart. It reads Chaucer.
 
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Lena, having the most scenes - sex and otherwise - of any female character in the game is by necessity an amalgamation of several porn stars and likely a few other non-porn inspirations. With that much content, it's too limiting to keep to one IRL inspiration unless she were to follow one around with a camera 24/7 for weeks in and out of the bedroom. Tracing comes with a lack of flexibility when there's a lack of content to trace and even the most prolific porn-star may not have the right pose and set-up (not to mention look) she has in mind for the scene and the character.

Source: My ass. But I think it makes sense, plus my ass is pretty smart. It reads Chaucer.
Oh yeah, I mean I just put up the Gif for fun.
:p
 

jimul18

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In your opinions, what is the over/under on Chapter 12 coming out this year?

There are roughly four month left and it has been over a month since the "Epilogue" was last mentioned on Patreon. Almost a month since the "final" version of chapter 11 has been released... (FYI the Epilogue is supposed to just contain Friday from Lena's POV). Since then there have only been some meaningless polls, some bts conent and designs for the bikini that seem so underwhelming nobody here has been bothered to ask for them, let alone post them...
 

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In your opinions, what is the over/under on Chapter 12 coming out this year?

There are roughly four month left and it has been over a month since the "Epilogue" was last mentioned on Patreon. Almost a month since the "final" version of chapter 11 has been released... (FYI the Epilogue is supposed to just contain Friday from Lena's POV). Since then there have only been some meaningless polls, some bts conent and designs for the bikini that seem so underwhelming nobody here has been bothered to ask for them, let alone post them...
Just a thought but maybe she wants to delay the epilogue to shorten the gap between it and ch12, or maybe she's on a quick vacation, it's summer anyway.
Ch12 is not coming out this year that's for sure, If i were to take a guess i would say somewhere around February 2024.
 
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| Vee |

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If CH12 is not released this year(I BELIEVE IT WILL BE RELEASED THIS YEAR!:cool:)
  1. If we get 2 chapters in a year starting from 2024, ORS will be finished in first half of 2028:oops:
  2. If it's 3 chapters in a year from 2024, ORS will be finished in 2026:oops:
It is a Long VN this should not be shocking to anyone.:D

--------------------------------------
These are releasing dates + trend of releasing. If you don't want to dive into nerdy stuff than just read CONCLUSION!(y)

ALSO NOTE EVERYTHING MENTIONED IN BLUE ARE MY OPINIONS BUT in Yellow are facts

Mar 28, 2020
For CH1 we got Alpha, Final
For CH2 we got Alpha, Beta, Final
For CH3 we got Alpha, Beta, Final
For CH4 we got Alpha, Beta, Final
For CH5 we got Alpha, Beta, Final, Enhanced(it was some rework)
For CH6 we got Alpha, Beta, Final

WE GOT 6 CHAPTERS IN 1 YEAR(y) EK was on cloud 9

than things changed not too drastically but EK's delivering was still good


For CH7 we got Alpha 2021/02/21 , Beta 2021/02/24 , Final 2021/03/07, Revised (wade related some revise) 2021/04/04
For CH8 we got Alpha 2021/05/22 , Beta 2021/05/29 , Final 2021/06/05
For CH9 we got Alpha +Complete Rework of back-end code structure 2021/10/24 , Beta 2021/10/29 , Final 2021/11/10

We got 3 updates + Rework of back-end in year(2021)(y) Still EK on Cloud 9

than things changed


Than Remaster of CH1-9:
Remastered Alpha - 2022/04/08

Isn't it beta why it is mentioned as remastered:WaitWhat:
Remastered Beta- 2022/04/14
  • Bug fixes
    • Most importantly fixed the Will stat not changing
  • Grammar and typo fixes

Again it is mentioned remastered:WaitWhat:
Remastered Final - 2022/04/25
  • Bug fixes
  • Grammar and typo fixes
  • Small change to Ian's Wits outfit
  • Android release

For CH10 we got Alpha 2022/11/29 , Beta 2022/12/08 , Final 2022/12/21

We got 1 updates + Complete Rework of CH1-9 last year(2022)(y) Still EK on Cloud 9

Than things changed again
For CH11 trend changed

Chapter 11 Prologue (Alpha) - 2023/02/10
Chapter 11 Prologue (Beta) - 2023/02/14
Chapter 11 Prologue (Full Version) - 2023/02/20
Chapter 11 Alpha - 2023/06/30

this is Chapter 11 release
Chapter 11 Beta- 2023/07/07
Chapter 11 Final

and waiting for epilogue
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So, I'm guessing epilogue is going to be
Chapter 11 epilogue (Alpha)
Chapter 11 epilogue (Beta)
Chapter 11 epilogue (Full Version)

CONCLUSION:
  1. WE GOT 6 CHAPTERS IN 1 YEAR (2020)(y) EK was on cloud 9
  2. We got 3 CHAPTERS + Rework of back-end in year(2021)(y) Still EK on Cloud 9
  3. We got 1 CHAPTER + Complete Rework of CH1-9 last year(2022)(y) Still EK on Cloud 9
  4. We got 1 Chapter only in year(2023)(y) waiting on epilogue

Will EK be on Cloud 9? We'll see!:D

This year was not upto expectation but we should cut EK some slack! She should've been exhausted plus there should be personal things too! SO WE SHOULD CHILL!

Given the trend I believe we will get CH12 this year!:coffee:
 
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noturiah

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Since then there have only been some meaningless polls, some bts content and designs for the bikini that seem so underwhelming nobody here has been bothered to ask for them, let alone post them...
The polls were discussed to death here when they were happening. BTS content (of Ian & Lena sitting on a couch in various stages of drawing and coloring) was posted twice; nobody seemed to care much. It wasn't very interesting BTS content. The bikini designs were posted here once, and generated some discussion for a few days, partly about the designs, partly speculating about chapter 12 content. But the discussion moved on pretty quickly.

I'm not sure Lena in a bikini got folks going all that much; we've seen so much of her in various outfits already. If there were sample bikini/swimsuit ideas for the majority of the female characters - because it's likely a majority of them may spend some time at Perry's beach house - I think there would have been more interest. Cherry in a slim, classy, gold-colored one-piece? Sweet! Emma in red bottoms which barely contain that beautiful ass? Yowsa! Alison in, say, a two-piece with some bling if she's in a steady relationship with Ian, but if she's her true yandere self and is jonesing after him (and/or Jeremy), maybe put her in a g-string and see what happens... :devilish:
 

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BTS content (of Ian & Lena sitting on a couch in various stages of drawing and coloring) was posted twice; nobody seemed to care much. It wasn't very interesting BTS content.
Yeah that BTS drawing was of CH11!

I think he is asking about new BTS which is behind paywall which didn't make it here.
 
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Xupuzulla

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In your opinions, what is the over/under on Chapter 12 coming out this year?

There are roughly four month left and it has been over a month since the "Epilogue" was last mentioned on Patreon. Almost a month since the "final" version of chapter 11 has been released... (FYI the Epilogue is supposed to just contain Friday from Lena's POV). Since then there have only been some meaningless polls, some bts conent and designs for the bikini that seem so underwhelming nobody here has been bothered to ask for them, let alone post them...
I like to think Evakiss has been working in the epilogue and is going to release it in the next weeks,is just one in game day,how much can take to make it?
Theres no way chapter 12 is going to be released this year,even a late december release seems unlikely imo.
 

Gicoo

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Hello friends
Are the models in this game easy girls or hard girls ( or lady ) ? I mean, do they have necessary resistance ( strong personality ) or do they quickly accept an emotional or sexual relationship with MC? I hope they have sufficient and necessary resistance
You are asking the wrong question. This isn't the usual porn game which centers around fucking everyone after two right choices and spaming them with items to increase their affection. The characters in this game are more than boobs on legs, they strive to be relatively realistic, they have they struggle in love, lust, relationship, employment and artistical fullfillment. All of it correlates when they engage with the wide cast of characters. Some are more receptive and eager, not necessarily because they are "easy", because several factors contributed to it, e.g. Alison broke up after a year long relationship, lost her job and her biological clock is ticking, so she seeks out a man to vent. If you don't go for her, she settles for another man. Other girls require several chapters until you can sleep with them, the build-up varies.
 

vgbestly

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If CH12 is not released this year(I BELIEVE IT WILL BE RELEASED THIS YEAR!:cool:)
  1. If we get 2 chapters in a year starting from 2024, ORS will be finished in first half of 2028:oops:
  2. If it's 3 chapters in a year from 2024, ORS will be finished in 2026:oops:
It is a Long VN this should not be shocking to anyone.:D

--------------------------------------
These are releasing dates + trend of releasing. If you don't want to dive into nerdy stuff than just read CONCLUSION!(y)

ALSO NOTE EVERYTHING MENTIONED IN BLUE ARE MY OPINIONS BUT in Yellow are facts

Mar 28, 2020
For CH1 we got Alpha, Final
For CH2 we got Alpha, Beta, Final
For CH3 we got Alpha, Beta, Final
For CH4 we got Alpha, Beta, Final
For CH5 we got Alpha, Beta, Final, Enhanced(it was some rework)
For CH6 we got Alpha, Beta, Final

WE GOT 6 CHAPTERS IN 1 YEAR(y) EK was on cloud 9

than things changed not too drastically but EK's delivering was still good


For CH7 we got Alpha 2021/02/21 , Beta 2021/02/24 , Final 2021/03/07, Revised (wade related some revise) 2021/04/04
For CH8 we got Alpha 2021/05/22 , Beta 2021/05/29 , Final 2021/06/05
For CH9 we got Alpha +Complete Rework of back-end code structure 2021/10/24 , Beta 2021/10/29 , Final 2021/11/10

We got 3 updates + Rework of back-end in year(2021)(y) Still EK on Cloud 9

than things changed


Than Remaster of CH1-9:
Remastered Alpha - 2022/04/08

Isn't it beta why it is mentioned as remastered:WaitWhat:
Remastered Beta- 2022/04/14
  • Bug fixes
    • Most importantly fixed the Will stat not changing
  • Grammar and typo fixes

Again it is mentioned remastered:WaitWhat:
Remastered Final - 2022/04/25
  • Bug fixes
  • Grammar and typo fixes
  • Small change to Ian's Wits outfit
  • Android release

For CH10 we got Alpha 2022/11/29 , Beta 2022/12/08 , Final 2022/12/21

We got 3 updates + Complete Rework of CH1-9 last year(2022)(y) Still EK on Cloud 9

Than things changed again
For CH11 trend changed

Chapter 11 Prologue (Alpha) - 2023/02/10
Chapter 11 Prologue (Beta) - 2023/02/14
Chapter 11 Prologue (Full Version) - 2023/02/20
Chapter 11 Alpha - 2023/06/30

this is Chapter 11 release
Chapter 11 Beta- 2023/07/07
Chapter 11 Final

and waiting for epilogue
------------------------------------------

So, I'm guessing epilogue is going to be
Chapter 11 epilogue (Alpha)
Chapter 11 epilogue (Beta)
Chapter 11 epilogue (Full Version)

CONCLUSION:
  1. WE GOT 6 CHAPTERS IN 1 YEAR (2020)(y) EK was on cloud 9
  2. We got 3 CHAPTERS + Rework of back-end in year(2021)(y) Still EK on Cloud 9
  3. We got 3 CHAPTERS + Complete Rework of CH1-9 last year(2022)(y) Still EK on Cloud 9
  4. We got 1 Chapter only in year(2023)(y) waiting on epilogue

Will EK be on Cloud 9? We'll see!:D

This year was not upto expectation but we should cut EK some slack! She should've been exhausted plus there should be personal things too! SO WE SHOULD CHILL!

Given the trend I believe we will get CH12 this year!:coffee:
Thank you loremaster. Very :PogChamp: posting.
 
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Just played this game for the first time and WOW, what an experience! This game is the complete package and some of the finest AVN material that I've ever played.

Question though, has anyone played a purely vanilla route where Ian and Lena are a couple but haven't had sex yet? My first and only playthrough so far I decided to give plenty of space and go at a slow pace and didn't jump into physical intimacy with Ian and Lena, and this apparently...made it so that Lena is wanting to actively withhold full on sex?

Not that there's anything wrong with that, she should take as much time as she feels is necessary, but it was kind of shocking after I played through to the end of the current version that if during Lena's POV in chapter 5 she didn't take Ian home, he apparently loses the chance to have sex with her even if he explicitly requests it later on, which he gets the chance to do and then get shut down (or if he presses the issue, breaks them up). This continues into Chapter 11 where Lena is consciously making Ian wait to go all the way. Interestingly, the relationship bar also never turns into a heart in this case despite the fact that they're official, exclusive, and do almost everything but penetrative sex.

Now, there are lots of variables and paths in this game and it's possible that I just picked the most virgin ones possible. If that is not the case though, the way I see it, there's two potential reasons for such a set up. The first being purely functional: if Ian or Lena's lust scores aren't high enough, then there's no full sex between them if she doesn't take him home in Chap. 5. That would make perfect sense to me since Lust is my dump stat, so to speak, and it's near as low as you can make it.

If, however, the reason is not solely mechanical/game system gated, but is a narrative thread concerning the couple's relationship development, then I am honestly kind of disquieted. At first, I thought she held back because she wasn't sure, or that she wasn't fully comfortable, and that's absolutely legit and should be entirely respected, no questions asked. However, Lena's internal thoughts reveal that this is no longer the case; she not only realizes that she enjoys withholding penetrative sex, but is now actively using it to satiate her need for a sense of control.

And I'm sure that Ian would be more than willing to play ball (or at least my Ian), if she had communicated this beforehand. Where I take issue with Lena's actions is her somewhat nebulous refusal to clearly explain to Ian why she is not having sex with him. There are common social expectations by which we all live and abide, rightly or wrongly, and that expectation plays a two-fold role in this situation: it is simultaneously expected that, if a couple is physically close, sex is a natural milestone and there's an active issue otherwise (I tend to disagree with this stance, but it is clear that the cast of the game believe so given their reactions to the couple's slow pace); it is also now an implicit understanding that if one party isn't comfortable, then the other partner should not pressure them and should be respectful of boundaries.

It is the latter part of that expectation that I am having gripes with because the reason why that expectation exists is to protect someone from feeling pressure to put out, from needing to do something they're not ok with, and not as a convenient means to gain the upper hand in a particular circumstance.

Specifically, Lena's reasons to not go all the way no longer concern the 100% justifiable reason of wanting more time to become comfortable, but is now instead the outlet for the powerlessness she feels in other aspects of her life. Like she says herself, "My life was quite a mess, but in that moment, I knew I was holding the reigns, and that made me feel great". Sex has an inherent power dynamic, and given the crappy situation that Lena lived in, it's unsurprising that she wants to find control somewhere that she is able to have the upper hand in the relationship, with the first decent guy to come along in quite a while.

However, I find it a failing in Lena's role as a respectful partner if she doesn't disclose this, even if that means admitting something very defeating and embarrassing. It also adds a layer of...moral ambiguity to Lena, which I find very well crafted and somewhat disturbing, that even on a path where she is about as good of a person as it was possible to be in her circumstances, unwavering in her principles and compassion, as soon as she feels truly safe and respected in a relationship, chooses to wield the power dynamic in her favour in a less than transparent way. Now, obviously if Ian was truly sexually frustrated, he should broach the subject with Lena in a respectful, understanding manner because no matter who feels unsatisfied, the worst you can do is to ignore it and try to forge on. I am not someone who feels a strong inclination to chase after sex, so I wouldn't care in this scenario, but Ian is not me; he is his own character and he does care, he's just kind of resigned himself to it as a necessary sacrifice to be with someone as beautiful as Lena. Again, that's not healthy and is only going to cause bigger issues down the line.

I wonder if this is a specifically dom/sub type route or fetish related route rather than a normal vanilla route for people that really want to take it slow, because from what I can tell so far, the progression has gone from "I need the slower pace to figure my self out" to "Ian's respect of my boundaries is refreshing and nice" to now "I can use this as a proxy to release my inability to take control of other facets of my life". This is not very far from an even worrying mindset of "how far can I take this/how much is Ian willing to hold back for me", because Lena clearly recognizes that Ian is starting to exhibit some sexual frustrations, but instead of addressing that or clearing the air, she's purposefully letting things simmer. Which, again, is perfectly fine, if Ian knew what was going on.

Anyways, all that overly long rambling to say, I am very curious to hear if anyone has experienced this particular path and how it compares to other variations of the Ian/Lena romance or even how Lena exhibits her comforts with romantic partners overall. What a great game this is to compel me to ponder so much about the characters' relationships!
 

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Just played this game for the first time and WOW, what an experience! This game is the complete package and some of the finest AVN material that I've ever played.

Question though, has anyone played a purely vanilla route where Ian and Lena are a couple but haven't had sex yet? My first and only playthrough so far I decided to give plenty of space and go at a slow pace and didn't jump into physical intimacy with Ian and Lena, and this apparently...made it so that Lena is wanting to actively withhold full on sex?

Not that there's anything wrong with that, she should take as much time as she feels is necessary, but it was kind of shocking after I played through to the end of the current version that if during Lena's POV in chapter 5 she didn't take Ian home, he apparently loses the chance to have sex with her even if he explicitly requests it later on, which he gets the chance to do and then get shut down (or if he presses the issue, breaks them up). This continues into Chapter 11 where Lena is consciously making Ian wait to go all the way. Interestingly, the relationship bar also never turns into a heart in this case despite the fact that they're official, exclusive, and do almost everything but penetrative sex.

Now, there are lots of variables and paths in this game and it's possible that I just picked the most virgin ones possible. If that is not the case though, the way I see it, there's two potential reasons for such a set up. The first being purely functional: if Ian or Lena's lust scores aren't high enough, then there's no full sex between them if she doesn't take him home in Chap. 5. That would make perfect sense to me since Lust is my dump stat, so to speak, and it's near as low as you can make it.

If, however, the reason is not solely mechanical/game system gated, but is a narrative thread concerning the couple's relationship development, then I am honestly kind of disquieted. At first, I thought she held back because she wasn't sure, or that she wasn't fully comfortable, and that's absolutely legit and should be entirely respected, no questions asked. However, Lena's internal thoughts reveal that this is no longer the case; she not only realizes that she enjoys withholding penetrative sex, but is now actively using it to satiate her need for a sense of control.

And I'm sure that Ian would be more than willing to play ball (or at least my Ian), if she had communicated this beforehand. Where I take issue with Lena's actions is her somewhat nebulous refusal to clearly explain to Ian why she is not having sex with him. There are common social expectations by which we all live and abide, rightly or wrongly, and that expectation plays a two-fold role in this situation: it is simultaneously expected that, if a couple is physically close, sex is a natural milestone and there's an active issue otherwise (I tend to disagree with this stance, but it is clear that the cast of the game believe so given their reactions to the couple's slow pace); it is also now an implicit understanding that if one party isn't comfortable, then the other partner should not pressure them and should be respectful of boundaries.

It is the latter part of that expectation that I am having gripes with because the reason why that expectation exists is to protect someone from feeling pressure to put out, from needing to do something they're not ok with, and not as a convenient means to gain the upper hand in a particular circumstance.

Specifically, Lena's reasons to not go all the way no longer concern the 100% justifiable reason of wanting more time to become comfortable, but is now instead the outlet for the powerlessness she feels in other aspects of her life. Like she says herself, "My life was quite a mess, but in that moment, I knew I was holding the reigns, and that made me feel great". Sex has an inherent power dynamic, and given the crappy situation that Lena lived in, it's unsurprising that she wants to find control somewhere that she is able to have the upper hand in the relationship, with the first decent guy to come along in quite a while.

However, I find it a failing in Lena's role as a respectful partner if she doesn't disclose this, even if that means admitting something very defeating and embarrassing. It also adds a layer of...moral ambiguity to Lena, which I find very well crafted and somewhat disturbing, that even on a path where she is about as good of a person as it was possible to be in her circumstances, unwavering in her principles and compassion, as soon as she feels truly safe and respected in a relationship, chooses to wield the power dynamic in her favour in a less than transparent way. Now, obviously if Ian was truly sexually frustrated, he should broach the subject with Lena in a respectful, understanding manner because no matter who feels unsatisfied, the worst you can do is to ignore it and try to forge on. I am not someone who feels a strong inclination to chase after sex, so I wouldn't care in this scenario, but Ian is not me; he is his own character and he does care, he's just kind of resigned himself to it as a necessary sacrifice to be with someone as beautiful as Lena. Again, that's not healthy and is only going to cause bigger issues down the line.

I wonder if this is a specifically dom/sub type route or fetish related route rather than a normal vanilla route for people that really want to take it slow, because from what I can tell so far, the progression has gone from "I need the slower pace to figure my self out" to "Ian's respect of my boundaries is refreshing and nice" to now "I can use this as a proxy to release my inability to take control of other facets of my life". This is not very far from an even worrying mindset of "how far can I take this/how much is Ian willing to hold back for me", because Lena clearly recognizes that Ian is starting to exhibit some sexual frustrations, but instead of addressing that or clearing the air, she's purposefully letting things simmer. Which, again, is perfectly fine, if Ian knew what was going on.

Anyways, all that overly long rambling to say, I am very curious to hear if anyone has experienced this particular path and how it compares to other variations of the Ian/Lena romance or even how Lena exhibits her comforts with romantic partners overall. What a great game this is to compel me to ponder so much about the characters' relationships!
Nice thought process. I've never played the withholding path, which it seems you've accidentally triggered by trying to take it extra slow. When it comes to those two having a romantic relationship, I usually either have a hornier Lena that can initiate the physical part of the relationship by Chapter 4, or a less horny Lena that decides to do it by Chapter 6 or so. The inner dialogue Lena has by Chapter 6 suggests to me that she's ready (since her character isn't a prude by any means). Some other players that like looking at the code might have a better sense of what flags get triggered and when once you push it too far. Just skimming through the scene gallery, there looks like some scenes in Chapter 7 that might lead to this.
 
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